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Title: Your wishes ;)
Post by: Baloran on March 21, 2018, 01:11:35 PM
A wish, a function that you would like present in future versions?

A first proposed by Laurent, to start the sequencers arpeggiators with a pedal.
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: SugarFree on March 19, 2019, 05:31:32 AM
#1 - A global option where the Channel and Voice buttons would indicate which mode is currently selected, without having to press S first.

When I program a sound, I have no use of switching between different layers or allocating voices. Being able to always see which mode has been selected for all the encoders would be very useful. Looking up this information on the tiny screen, or by pressing S is not as easy.
Pressing S, could show the Channel/Voice allocation.
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: SugarFree on March 22, 2019, 11:59:33 PM
#2 - Low frequency range for OSC2, engaged by double double-tapping 32'. It would work as a 2nd analog LFO for FILTER CUTOFF modulation.
(for both INTERVAL KEY ON and KEY OFF mode)
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: SugarFree on March 23, 2019, 12:06:38 AM
#3 Pedal control for the S button.
Right now it only works with the S_KEY button, which doesn't help if you're actually playing the keyboard at the same time.
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: SugarFree on March 23, 2019, 02:06:56 AM
#4 - secondary function for [FM FILTER]: FM OSC1
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: SugarFree on March 23, 2019, 05:59:54 PM
#5 - A chromatic glissando mode for the Pitchbend Wheel
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: Baloran on March 25, 2019, 10:48:40 AM
#2 - Low frequency range for OSC2, engaged by double double-tapping 32'. It would work as a 2nd analog LFO for FILTER CUTOFF modulation.
(for both INTERVAL KEY ON and KEY OFF mode)

Key Off (interval full right...) is not good for you ?
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: Baloran on March 25, 2019, 10:50:30 AM
#4 - secondary function for [FM FILTER]: FM OSC1

Not possible sorry, it's hardware ;)
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: Baloran on March 25, 2019, 10:51:33 AM
#3 Pedal control for the S button.
Right now it only works with the S_KEY button, which doesn't help if you're actually playing the keyboard at the same time.

Pedal 2 can be act as a Shift, it's not good ?
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: SugarFree on March 25, 2019, 06:28:34 PM
#2 - Low frequency range for OSC2, engaged by double double-tapping 32'. It would work as a 2nd analog LFO for FILTER CUTOFF modulation.
(for both INTERVAL KEY ON and KEY OFF mode)

Key Off (interval full right...) is not good for you ?

KEY OFF doesn't go slow enough as an LFO. Most of its FINE TUNE control is in the audio range. I'd like a similar range like the ANALOG LFO.
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: SugarFree on March 25, 2019, 06:32:41 PM
#3 Pedal control for the S button.
Right now it only works with the S_KEY button, which doesn't help if you're actually playing the keyboard at the same time.

Pedal 2 can be act as a Shift, it's not good ?

Pedal 2 controls SHIFT_KEY not the regular SHIFT. This is a problem when I want to shift-control synthesis parameters while playing the keyboard.
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: Peter on October 28, 2019, 12:22:29 PM
If its possible, I would like to be able to lower the brightness of the two screens.
I found that I can change the colors and that helped a little, but lower brightness would also be nice for my eyes. :)


Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: inbetweendays00 on October 29, 2019, 12:07:13 PM
More memory slots ? Serait-ce trop demander, Maître ?
Thankssssssss.
François (n° 31 / Bruxelles)
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: Peter on October 29, 2019, 06:40:45 PM
More memory slots ? Serait-ce trop demander, Maître ?
Thankssssssss.
François (n° 31 / Bruxelles)
I agree, that would be most welcome.
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: Baloran on November 26, 2019, 11:51:35 AM
It's not possible (harware...) to add more memory slots.
For brightness, i must make test if i can init LCD with low brightness.
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: reno@phonogen.com on November 28, 2019, 12:34:11 PM
I know, I didn't give the river long, but still my suggestion: separate the two outputs XLR and Jack in order to a) have two separate stereo pairs for the mix b) upgrade the triko and use it as a separate efx-unit (without signal adjustment of the synth) for other equipment. river and triko would then be separate. no idea if that works. it's hardware :-). Hallo from Zuerich

Rino
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: Peter on December 28, 2019, 04:49:47 PM
I noticed that the pseudo poly after touch is only for last key played.
I would like the choice of highest key played sa well, thank you.

Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: Baloran on December 29, 2019, 07:44:56 PM
I noticed that the pseudo poly after touch is only for last key played.
I would like the choice of highest key played sa well, thank you.
Nice idea ;)
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: Baloran on December 29, 2019, 07:46:55 PM
I know, I didn't give the river long, but still my suggestion: separate the two outputs XLR and Jack in order to a) have two separate stereo pairs for the mix b) upgrade the triko and use it as a separate efx-unit (without signal adjustment of the synth) for other equipment. river and triko would then be separate. no idea if that works. it's hardware :-). Hallo from Zuerich
Yes it's hardware and for my opinion, triko and the The River is a positive union ;)
 
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: Baloran on December 31, 2019, 12:01:54 PM
I noticed that the pseudo poly after touch is only for last key played.
I would like the choice of highest key played sa well, thank you.

In 1.85 for DLFO Mode: channel, last key, higher key, lower key  ;)
I think I have also improved this function because voices that went from DLFo receiver to non-receiver kept the last DLFo value in memory. That wasn't so good, I think it's better now. 
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: Peter on December 31, 2019, 12:22:11 PM
I noticed that the pseudo poly after touch is only for last key played.
I would like the choice of highest key played sa well, thank you.

In 1.85 for DLFO Mode: channel, last key, higher key, lower key  ;)
I think I have also improved this function because voices that went from DLFo receiver to non-receiver kept the last DLFo value in memory. That wasn't so good, I think it's better now.
Perfect, thanks!  :)
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: Lauflicht on January 02, 2020, 12:58:22 AM
If its possible, I would like to be able to lower the brightness of the two screens.
I found that I can change the colors and that helped a little, but lower brightness would also be nice for my eyes. :)

Yes, I second this. For me the displays are too bright for my, usually dimly lit, living room studio. Going to monochrome is kind of a workaround but I like the colours. :-) So maybe it is possible to reduce the brightness of both displays?
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: Baloran on January 02, 2020, 11:27:43 PM
For reduce the brightness of both displays, isn't possible without harware update. The "GPU" can't ajust TFT light.

But the box is well adapted to the installation in each TFT of one on "over screen" with a small edge that would let n% of the light pass through.  I should be able to do this provided I find the right material with the right light transmission index. : PMMA Acrylic, Plexiglas etc...

Edit : like this
https://vimeo.com/167146723
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: sean on January 05, 2020, 03:57:25 AM
I would be very interested in being able to use an LFO to modulate the pan settings (of specific voices, and/or the dry / chorus / efx sum parameters in the mixer). Other forms of modulation for these values would also be interesting but the LFO seems to offer the most possibilities. Any way to make something like that happen?

Also, it would be cool if the mixer page in general could be accessed through MIDI CC/NPRN. I like modifying the settings while playing and I could see in the future wanting to have dedicated sliders or something mapped to them.
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: coyote14 on January 05, 2020, 04:33:15 PM
Have you tried to send the global LFO to a CV Out, plug a jack between this output and the the Pedal In, and control the parameter with CV In ?
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: sean on January 05, 2020, 05:24:48 PM
Have you tried to send the global LFO to a CV Out, plug a jack between this output and the the Pedal In, and control the parameter with CV In ?

First, thank you for your explanation of PAN MODEL / PAN EXP / PAN MOV from GS. If I understand what you wrote, the dynamic modulation allows you to go between different panoramic model settings from "neutral", and I can see how I could use an LFO to automate that (I honestly haven't used the River Key at this point but I see from the manual how to attempt what you describe above).

I was hoping I could just set the individual voice pan settings on the PAN page, and then modulate those with the LFO relative to the initial settings, without trying to figure out the PAN MODEL. If I can find a PAN MODEL that matches how I would pan the voices, and then map LFO to pedal as you describe above, and map dynamic modulation from pedal to PAN EXP or PAN MOV, I should be able to get movement of widening and flattening the stereo image. I don't think I would be able to get movement of the entire stereo image left and right. I could simulate it by only having voices on one side of the stereo field and then modulating as above.

Off to experiment :-D.

EDIT: Did my experiment. I found that if I patched the global LFO to the expression pedal input and DYN SRC to CC11 EXPR, nothing happened. If I patched the global LFO to Pedal 2 and the DYN SRC to CC4 FOOT, then I could get some modulation going. It wasn't really gradual movement in the stereo field so much as abrupt movement from left to right channel, but still kind of cool. The problem I ran into was that Pedal 2 has to be mapped to either start the arpeggiator, enter the shift key, or "EXT". If I set it to either of the first two there are obvious problems, if I set it to the third then any chord I held down would die out in a few seconds regardless of my envelope settings. But I can play shorter notes, or run an ARP, and have it work this way. My guess is that the LFO is disabling the sustain pedal periodically.
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: VEdesign on February 09, 2020, 01:47:30 PM
Hello there, my speakers almost died yesterday because the 'master level' knob wasn't cutting the huge feedback I had experimenting one of the Triko's delays. So it would be nice (and quite normal actually) to control the volume of all sounds coming from the River (including the sound coming from the inner Triko) via this master level knob.
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: Peter on February 15, 2020, 12:44:54 PM
In the next software update I would like if you can put "Local On/Off" in the first place in "System" menu please.
Because thats the function you go to most while changing between playing the synth itself or using it with a DAW.
The other functions are not changed as often.




Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: maisonvague on February 17, 2020, 04:25:44 PM
In the next software update I would like if you can put "Local On/Off" in the first place in "System" menu please.
Because thats the function you go to most while changing between playing the synth itself or using it with a DAW.
The other functions are not changed as often.

In the meantime, there's a River Key shortcut for Local On/Off which is SHIFT + F7.
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: Peter on February 17, 2020, 04:46:18 PM
In the next software update I would like if you can put "Local On/Off" in the first place in "System" menu please.
Because thats the function you go to most while changing between playing the synth itself or using it with a DAW.
The other functions are not changed as often.

In the meantime, there's a River Key shortcut for Local On/Off which is SHIFT + F7.
Perfect, didn't know that, thanks!
So there are more shortcuts than those on the magnetic list apparently.
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: SugarFree on February 17, 2020, 10:11:07 PM
Are the extra shortcuts documented somewhere?
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: Baloran on March 31, 2020, 12:09:25 PM
It seems to me that all shortcuts are documented in the manual except

Shift (near Wheels) + last B for select 2 or 4 steps encoders.

No?
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: VEdesign on May 02, 2020, 09:55:00 PM
Hello there, I just discovered that the Jupiter 8 has a special unisson mode: I thought this mode was always putting all voices of a synth together but the Jupiter 8 unisson mode is smarter than that: if you press 2 keys the synth will split the voices in two so 4 voices singing for each key.
Can it be possible to do that on the River Laurent?

PS: I discovered that around the 12th minute of this video -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3Hce30hF_8
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: joerollerblade on May 05, 2020, 05:06:48 AM
Replace the glossy surface of the magnetic strip with a matte-finish surface. The current glossy surface picks up glare and reflections from surrounding lights and becomes difficult to read. I've experimented by simply applying a strip of 3M Magic Tape onto the existing glossy surface and it very effectively eliminates the glare. You lose a bit of contrast, but overall, it's much easier to read.
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: synthwalker on May 05, 2020, 11:10:09 PM
Hello there, I just discovered that the Jupiter 8 has a special unisson mode: I thought this mode was always putting all voices of a synth together but the Jupiter 8 unisson mode is smarter than that: if you press 2 keys the synth will split the voices in two so 4 voices singing for each key.
Can it be possible to do that on the River Laurent?

PS: I discovered that around the 12th minute of this video -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3Hce30hF_8
Jupiter-4 has 2 UNISON modes : either 4 voices x 1 note or dynamic allocation of voices / notes (like JP-8). Recent synths allow to choose how many voices are stacked in UNISON (2 to MAX) plus an extra setting like "allocated".
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: Baloran on May 05, 2020, 11:32:34 PM
With The River, you can make the same...
channel 1 with 1 to n voices and unisson
and another chanel or not with the unused voices ;)
   
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: SugarFree on May 06, 2020, 12:18:14 AM
I would love all the Riverkey parameters to be accessible directly on the synth.
Opening the Riverkey editor on a Mac is a huge headache. And it doesn't always work.
I don't need to create profiles, I just need to manage all the options, like CV Clock etc.
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: Baloran on May 06, 2020, 03:22:11 PM
I would love all the Riverkey parameters to be accessible directly on the synth.
Opening the Riverkey editor on a Mac is a huge headache. And it doesn't always work.
I don't need to create profiles, I just need to manage all the options, like CV Clock etc.

Yes , I understand ;)
And Riverkey Editor must be updated....
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: Baloran on May 06, 2020, 07:25:15 PM
In the next version, you can affect/change in The River (whithout software...) CVs Gates outputs for Bend, Aftertouch, Velocity, Release velocity , WHeel,  Clock Gate etc....
A Special summary screen show all outputs ;)

 
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: Baloran on May 07, 2020, 02:52:27 PM
In this file, you can show The new Riverkey options integrated ;)
(version 1.94 in few days, just before the 2.0)
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: SugarFree on May 07, 2020, 07:02:05 PM
this will be very helpful. Thanks Laurent.
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: VEdesign on June 09, 2020, 01:53:20 AM
With The River, you can make the same...
channel 1 with 1 to n voices and unisson
and another chanel or not with the unused voices ;)
Thanks Laurent, synthwalker gave the key notion here: "dynamic allocation of voices / notes"

Can it be possible to let The River define dynamically this allocation of voices / notes depending on what we play like the Jupiter-4 & Jupiter-8?

So without static and restricting setup in menus, The River decides all the time the number of voices to play analysing the number of active notes all the time. If we push one key, The River launches the 8 voices, if we play 2 notes 4 voices per note and so on.
How many voices if we play 3 keys?  :P It should be 2 voices for all 3 notes... or a smarter allocation than that, let's say  voices for 2 of these 3 notes played and 3 for the 3rd note.

If it's not already possible, that can be a really nice feature to add. As an option to give more possibilities with The River depending on the sound we are searching to reach.
Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: Baloran on June 10, 2020, 12:52:28 AM
Personally, I do not see the point of setting up this function. Let me explain. In the context of playing with chords of two or three fingers, as on a paraphonic instrument, it is useful but not transendent...

If I now pluck a two-finger chord with my right hand, I affect 2 x 4, I don't release, and I play a lead with the less straight one.  Damn, no more voices available, so I have to steal voices from a chord that is maintained. It's not nice...

So I could say, that I affect two voices or three voices, but always the same problem, if I hold the notes down.

So I'm really not convinced ;)

Now to be able to say that for this sound, each note has to be played in 1,2,3 or 4 voices is interesting. I just simulated it with two to four identical layers. Ok for next version (2.0x). When you push Unisson, you can select full or 2,3,4 voices....


Title: Re: Your wishes ;)
Post by: SugarFree on June 10, 2020, 07:16:01 AM
Moog One has this feature. Turning on the Unison Mode lets you choose 2-16 voices per note. Being able to play chords with 2-3 voices per note is very useful.